Once Saved Always saved?… I think not…

I was raised in a Southern Baptist household in South Mississippi. I was raised with the belief that as long as you pray a sinner’s prayer you are saved. Those who fall away had no true work of salvation in them. When a person said the ‘sinner’s prayer’ they were said to be saved no matter what. No matter how they lived their lives afterward they were saved because they were under grace. Now since I have left the Southern Baptist world I have found that that’s not the case. The Bible says that there will be people who will depart from the faith…

Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, 1 Timothy 4:1-2

People… sincere believers who don’t watch themselves will find themselves decieved and they will believe the lies they are taught over what the word of God says. They will believe the Bible but they will ignore those passages or just water them down so they will have those beliefs and still have the Bible. They try to “have their cake and eat it too”. Reality is God is still God and he will always be God. He has never changed.

It’s really sad how many believers who were living in this deception. So there is a false sense of security in living any way you please because you said a 30 second prayer. You can’t even get a burger at McDonald’s in 30 seconds. How in the world do you expect to get eternal salvation after praying a textbook prayer that’s only 30 seconds? There is so much more than that. That’s only the first step.

We all know the gospel of salvation. The John 3:16 message is the most popular message of the evangelical Christians today. We go around the globe to some lost tribe in South America that has barely enough clothing to cover themselves and show a Jesus film and when they say the prayer, our mission is accomplished. Jesus didn’t preach salvation in his earthly ministry. He preached the Kingdom of God. It’s easy to acknowledge that Jesus died for us and he is Lord of all the earth. But our definition of believing has been watered down to just acknowledging. Let me paste the Strongs Concordance definintion of the word believe in Greek.


pisteuōpist-yoo’-o From G4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), that is, credit; by implication to entrust (especially one’s spiritual well being to Christ): – believe (-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with.

To have faith in, to entrust, that’s the real definition of believe. There is hardly anyone that won’t acknowledge what he is and what he’s done. But they won’t live their lives like he is Lord and Savior. It’s not enough that you say a prayer and acknowledge that he died, rose again, and is coming back to rule and reign. But do you actually live every moment of your life in anticipation of his return? Sadly enough, there are those who profess their belief but those who don’t live what they believe. 

There are those who say “How can that be since we’re under grace?” God’s grace is the ability to work for the kingdom. His grace isn’t to be looked at cheaply. His love for us saved us and his grace keeps us. But we have a part to play. He’s not going to do our part. We have to respond to his grace. His hand reaches out to us, but we have to accept it. His forgiveness is there but we have to accept that. God’s grace allows us to live lives of holiness and wholehearted love. That grace is everyday. His grace is supposed to keep us from sinning as well as forgive us when we do. We must not look upon God’s grace as a cheap gift. He is abounding in it… but it’s still not to be looked at as a fallback plan or an excuse for loose living.

If we don’t have faith in God’s love and his good will toward those who love him, then those who just profess their beliefs will be exposed for their empty words. Words speak and actions speak. Neither is louder than the other. The day is coming when the Lord will not tolerate nothing more than a pure and spotless bride. Politics and empty words will not reign in the Kingdom of Heaven. He won’t be coming back for those who have just merely said a prayer. He’s coming back for those who’s hearts are truly loyal to him. His eyes are searching to and fro throughout the earth. He hears your words and he sees your actions.

It’s only going to be those who are wholehearted who make it through this troubled time. This is a touchy subject for all who don’t believe this. I encourage you guys to search out the scriptures for yourself. For my words count for nothing at the judgement seat. I’m a firm believer that the truth seekers find it. Bless you all in Jesus name.


~ by timbrownlee on November 30, 2007.

8 Responses to “Once Saved Always saved?… I think not…”

  1. i agree with you tim. i always have thought the “once saved always saved” was a little fishy but didn’t quite know why. but then i researched and found out that the Bible talks about God “saving” us three way. in past, present and future. the future one all talk about that day when we will be judged and our bodies will be transformed. it is that one that Jesus said “those who endure to the end will be saved”.

    many people allow God to save their past and even part of their present, but they are unwilling to let salvation take it’s full effect by letting God “save to the uttermost” until “He has completed that work which He has started”. many people start…few finish…sadly.

    good post!


  2. thank you my friend… me and my parents are still at odds over this. it’s very hard for me to post something like this considering i could lose family and friends over holding this kind of belief.


  3. I have come into contact with so many people who believe this. I grew up in a background that depicted the opposite view of God…He just looking for any opportunity to pitch me into hell. The balance that I’ve found is one has the ability to reject Jesus (that’s free will) even after believing in Him. But it is much more difficult to loose salvation than some people make it out to me. What I have found is when I turned my back on God (never denouncing Jesus Christ – but living my life for myself), He came after me. He did not allow me to slip through His fingers…


  4. i so agree! i think the deciding factor is whether or not we are “concerned” over our salvation. the Bible says to “work out your salvation with fear and trembling”.

    i think that as long as our lives are a struggling “yes” to God, it is impossible to lose your salvation. it is when your life becomes a lifelong deliberate “no” that you find yourself in eternal trouble.

    God loves those who “long for His salvation”, those who are “looking forward to our day of redemption”. surely He will not cast those people off….no matter how good or bad their struggle is with their flesh in this temporal life.

    true inward desire (“God, i really DO want to love You and be pure”) goes a long way with God. 🙂


  5. you have pretty much summarized the entire blog… congradulations Mr. Manchester… nice work!


  6. Once saved always saved is a very popular teaching among Plymouth Brethren and Reformed Christians in Northern Ireland. I think it is good in that it can give a lot of sincere but nervous Christians assurance when facing difficulties during times of doubt and testing. There are numerous scriptures to give confidence and comfort to these Christians: Who can separate you from the love of Christ; no one can snatch you out of my hand etc.

    However it can also be a ‘cop out’ for those who have mouthed the words ‘Jesus is Lord’, or ‘Lord save me’, but don’t walk the walk.

    I would contend that those who turn their back on Christ and ‘trample the blood and body of Christ underfoot’ need to once again repent of their sin and turn back to God. To these I would say and have said: ‘Do not put any confidence in these assurances while you are living in open rebellion and sin.’ St Paul said he brings his body under subjection lest after he has preached to others he himself should become disqualified. In Revelation we are told that he endures to the end will be saved. As you noted we must take the Scripture as a whole and not use isolated verses to build up a teaching that may be spurious.


  7. Wow! I wish I had been taught this when I first asked Jesus to be my Saviour. Now 3 years later I find myself in what I consider to be my most darkest hours. I’m pleagued with thoughts of wondering if I’m saved or not. It is not because of the blog but because of the way I find myself living. I know what I must do and I thank you all for helping me realize this.
    Thank you very much for the info everyone!


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    Surely you have heard the locution: Once saved, always saved.
    It means that when we once received Jesus as our Lord and
    Saviour and are born again, then we can never fall away from
    the Lord. This is a false doctrine that leads to falling away.

    The doctrine of election, which William M. Branham preached,
    that the elected cannot fall away from the Lord, it can entice
    them into a false safety, which can be their fall. Branham’s
    doctrine of the election does not agree with Ezekiel 33:12-19
    or Rom. 11:17-22.

    If the elected ones cannot become lost, why then are there
    so many warnings in the Bible? Why did Jesus warn us about
    false teachers and false prophets, if it is impossible that the
    elected ones become lost? How can you know if you are one
    of the elected, according to Branham’s doctrine?

    If it is no risk to lose our salvation, then we do not need to
    hold us awake or be careful against false teachers. Why then
    are Israel’s sins and punishments under their wandering
    through the desert, written down as warnings for us? Why
    then did Paul write, “Now all these things happened unto
    them for examples: and they are written for our admonition,
    upon whom the ends of the world are coming. Wherefore
    let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he falls.”
    1 Cor. 10:1-12.

    A usual reason that Christians fall away from the Lord, is
    that they follow false doctrines, which lead away from the
    sincere faithfulness to the Lord. They have a fancy to
    doctrines of denominations and church traditions, and these
    have been more important to them than the Bible. They are
    so practised with the lukewarm church atmosphere and think
    it is the normality. Nevertheless, the one who loves the truth
    and has an honest longing to be free from the religious
    harlot-being, being free is possible.

    Our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the
    rulers, against the authorities, against the world rulers of the
    darkness of this age, against the spiritual powers of evil in
    the heaven lies. Eph. 6:10-18. (KJ3). If we are confused of a
    false doctrine, then we can expose it, through to study God’s
    word and pray to God. Through studies of the Bible and
    praying to God, we can in power of God’s word, overcome
    the evil powers and expose their false doctrines.

    We also have the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, He shall teach
    us all things and shall remind you of all things that Jesus has
    said to us. John 14:26, 16:13. “And the anointing which you
    received from Him abides in you, and you have no need that
    anyone teach you, but the same anointing teaches you
    concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and as He
    taught you, abide in Him.” 1 John 2:27.

    Nevertheless, it is a difference between that fall in sin, and
    to falling away from the Lord. “My little children, these things
    write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have
    an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And
    he is the propitiation for ous sins.” 1 John 2:1. “If we confess
    our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to
    cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” 1 John 1:9. Nevertheless,
    if we do not repent our sins and do not turn to the Lord or
    pray for forgiveness, then it leads to falling away from the

    We do not know how often we do sins against the Lord.
    Therefore, we cannot pray for forgiveness every time we
    have sinned. Yet, the cleaning of all sins through Jesus’
    blood is continuous cleaning. Else we would never know
    if all our sins are forgiven.

    Therefore, it is important that we trust in Jesus and do not
    follow false doctrines. Do not believe that your membership
    in a church or any denomination can give you forgiveness for
    sins. A church is no mediator between God and you. There is
    only one mediator between God and men, Jesus Christ.
    1 Tim. 2:5.

    To get forgiveness for our sins against God, we must also
    forgive those who have sinned against us. Please, read Matt.
    6:12-15. This is a prayer that Jesus taught his disciples. But
    if we do not forgive, then this prayer is highly dangerous.
    You can pray yourself to hell with this prayer. If we do not
    forgive, and we pray God to forgive in the same way as we
    forgive, that would be no forgiveness. Matt. 18:21-35. We
    can also turn the prayer of the Lord and pray, “Help us
    Father to forgive as you forgive.”

    None be saved by works of the law, Gal. 2:16,
    and none be saved without works of faith. Matt. 7:21-23.

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